Final
STAFF SUMMARY OF MEETING

HOUSE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

Date:04/14/2009
ATTENDANCE
Time:07:36 AM to 07:08 PM
Gardner B.
X
Judd
X
Place:LSB A
Kefalas
X
Kerr A.
X
Kerr J.
X
Marostica
X
McCann
X
Pace
*
Riesberg
X
Sonnenberg
X
Vaad
X
Ferrandino
X
Pommer
X
X = Present
E = Excused
A = Absent
*Present after roll call
Bills Addressed:Action Taken:
SB09-281
SB09-259
SB09-260
SB09-261
SB09-262
SB09-263
SB09-264
SB09-265
SB09-267
SB09-268
SB09-269
SB09-270
SB09-271
SB09-272
SB09-274
SB09-275
SB09-277
SB09-278
SB09-279
SJR09-035		Referred to the Committee of the Whole
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Amended and Referred to the Committee of the Whole
Referred to the Committee of the Whole
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Amended and Referred to the Committee of the Whole
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Amended and Referred to the Committee of the Whole
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07:37 AM -- Senate Bill 09-281

Representative Weissmann presented his bill, and a letter from Pinnacol that stated that Pinnacol will not be forced into a deal. Representative Weissman clarified that he is not here to try and make a deal, but here to present his bill and the requirements of the bill. Going over the four components of the bill, and acknowledged that the bill is a joint effort between Rep. Weissmann and Senator Shaffer. Notes that the Executive Committee will only pick 3 interim committees, and it is highly likely that this interim committee will be selected because of the number of sponsors who are on the Executive Committee. Going over what the purpose of what the interim committee would be.

Committee members are asking questions of Representative Weismann.

Chair establishes that each side for the two Pinnacol bills will have 20 minutes to present/argue their side (20 minutes does not include questions from the Committee).
*Mark Larsen is first to speak - former board member of CCIA/former legislator. - 7:55am
*Marcia Benshoof & Rob Norris - Pinnacol Representatives - 8:00am
Getting hard questions - building owned at Lowery, newspaper ad, t-shirts people were wearing at rally on 4/14/09, asked if they (Pinnacol) organized the campaign - asked if the newspaper ad and t-shirts were paid out of surplus.
Answering questions about how the surplus got so large so quick - 14 year plan (starting in 2000) on recorded with the Division of Insurance (Department of Regulatory Agencies).
Trying to tie themselves to AIG (i.e. if take the money won't have enough reserves) and also trying to separate themselves (AIG can pick who they want, but we (Pinnacol) can't).
Represenatives from Pinnacol are explaining to the Committee how claims are counter-cycial to economic health - Frequency of claims go down because there is less people working, but owner/operates take over work and increase the chance for more serious/more expensive claims, which Pinnacol is seeing.
Gardner - why do insurance companies keep large amount of money in the bank? Pinnacol - surplus is a bumper agaisnt any major problems.
Pinnacol - stated that the following are not factored in to calculation of reserves- unforeseen circumstances, changes in law, this state received a lot of questions from Committee regarding how Pinnacol pays out multi-year claims and if those multi-year claims are built into budget.
Gardner asked who owns reserve - "Pinnacol Assurance owns it, and holds it in trust for you and 58,000 of your peers" by Marcia Benshoof - Rob - "sort of holding it in trust for you"
Dividend based on loss experience - dividend based on company size is contrary to the current way the Pinnacol writes dividends - claims it will be seen as discriminatory
Representative Weismann is clarifiying that the bill 09-281 is not selling Pinnacol and the interim committee is not solely designed to determine how to sell Pinnacol, but to look at the best operating method for Pinnacol, private or public.- Pinnacol completed testimony - 9:05am
*Steve Durham - Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce - Colorado Concerned - 9:05 am, the people he represents would like to see the mandatory dividend removed, and do not want a mandatory rate control.
*Rick Van Dkye - President Resource Management Systems Incorporated - operated solely in Colorado - one of Pinnacol's larger clients - $4.5 million in Pinnacol premiums - voicing against reduction of RESERVES not SURPLUS - 9:25am
*Tony Galigardi - NFIB - 9:27am
Testimony ended agaisnt the bill 10:03am.

Break until 10:13am.

Back to order - 10:15am

*Arthur Powers - THRIVE - managing director - 10:15am - 10:22am
*Ben Kramer - 10:22am - Attnory for workers' compensation claims
*Mark Simon - 10:51am - workers' compensation injuried claimant - 10:56am

Concludes public testimony at 10:56am.
BILL:SB09-281
TIME: 10:59:11 AM
MOVED:Judd
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Pommer
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
Excused
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
No
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Yes
Final YES: 9 NO: 3 EXC: 1 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


11:11 AM -- Senate Bill 09-259

Representative Pommer presents his bill.
BILL:SB09-259
TIME: 11:12:27 AM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Ferrandino
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
No
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Yes
Final YES: 9 NO: 4 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


11:14 AM -- Senate Bill 09-260

Representative Pommer presents his bill.
BILL:SB09-260
TIME: 11:15:22 AM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Ferrandino
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
No
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Yes
Final YES: 9 NO: 4 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


11:17 AM -- Senate Bill 09-261

Representative Ferrandino presented his bill.
BILL:SB09-261
TIME: 11:19:19 AM
MOVED:Ferrandino
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Riesberg
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
No
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Yes
Final YES: 9 NO: 4 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


11:20 AM -- Senate Bill 09-262

Representative Marostica presented his bill.
BILL:SB09-262
TIME: 11:20:59 AM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Ferrandino
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
No
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Yes
Final YES: 9 NO: 4 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


11:22 AM -- Senate Bill 09-263

Representative Pommer presented his bill.

Public testimony
*Cathy Oatis - long-term care representative
*Barry Rosenburg - co-founder of Atlantis Community, Personal Services Assistant representative - home health care.
*Dale Reed - ADOPT representative - home health care.
*Julie Risken - representative for program and a client - 11:47am - home health care.
*Arlene Miles - CEO Colorado Health Care Association - nursing home representatives - agaisnt amendment L.009.
BILL:SB09-263
TIME: 12:04:54 PM
MOVED:Pommer
MOTION:L.008
SECONDED:Marostica
VOTE
Gardner B.
Judd
Kefalas
Kerr A.
Kerr J.
Marostica
McCann
Pace
Riesberg
Sonnenberg
Vaad
Ferrandino
Pommer
Not Final YES: 0 NO: 0 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: Pass Without Objection

BILL:SB09-263
TIME: 12:08:02 PM
MOVED:Kerr A.
MOTION:L.009
SECONDED:Pace
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
No
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
No
Sonnenberg
No
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
No
Pommer
No
Not Final YES: 5 NO: 8 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: FAIL
BILL:SB09-263
TIME: 12:18:59 PM
MOVED:Pommer
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Judd
VOTE
Gardner B.
Yes
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
Yes
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Yes
Vaad
Yes
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Yes
Final YES: 13 NO: 0 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS

Stopping for now. Committee will be in recess until the adjornment of the House, which is convening at 1:30pm

Representative Ferrandino called meeting to order - 6:02pm..

06:02 PM -- Senate Bill 09-264

Representative Marostica presented his bill to the Committee.
BILL:SB09-264
TIME: 06:04:50 PM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:McCann
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
Yes
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 9 NO: 2 EXC: 2 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:05 PM -- Senate Bill 09-265

Representative Marostica presented the bill.
BILL:SB09-265
TIME: 06:07:23 PM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:McCann
VOTE
Gardner B.
Yes
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
Yes
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
Yes
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 11 NO: 0 EXC: 2 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:08 PM -- Senate Bill 09-267

Representative Ferrandino presented his bill.
BILL:SB09-267
TIME: 06:09:26 PM
MOVED:Ferrandino
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Kefalas
VOTE
Gardner B.
Yes
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
Yes
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
Yes
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 11 NO: 0 EXC: 2 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:10 PM -- Senate Bill 09-268

Representative Marostica presented his bill.
BILL:SB09-268
TIME: 06:11:53 PM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Ferrandino
VOTE
Gardner B.
Yes
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
Yes
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
Yes
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 11 NO: 0 EXC: 2 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:12 PM -- Senate Bill 09-269

Representative Ferrandino presented this bill to the Committee.
BILL:SB09-269
TIME: 06:14:53 PM
MOVED:Ferrandino
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Judd
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 8 NO: 3 EXC: 2 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:16 PM -- Senate Bill 09-270

Representative Marostica presented this bill to the Committee.
BILL:SB09-270
TIME: 06:19:31 PM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Ferrandino
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 8 NO: 3 EXC: 2 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:20 PM -- Senate Bill 09-271

Representative Ferrandino presented this bill to the Committee and noted that the Senate joint resolution would need to pass in order for this bill to become law, otherwise it is likely that, in order to make up for the revenue that would have been added to the General Fund, would need to be made up by cuts to the Department of Health Care Policy and Financing. The Committee laid this bill over one bill to address the Joint Resolution first.


06:24 PM -- Senate Joint Resolution 035

Representative Marositica presented this Joint Resolution which must be approved by a 2/3 vote of both houses and the governor. Companion resolution to 09-271. Notes there is a safety clause in 09-271 is contingent on the passage of this resolution.

BILL:SJR 035
TIME: 06:27:42 PM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Riesberg
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
No
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 7 NO: 4 EXC: 2 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:28 PM -- Senate Bill 09-271

Reopened.
BILL:SB09-271
TIME: 06:29:11 PM
MOVED:Riesberg
MOTION:J.001
SECONDED:Ferrandino
VOTE
Gardner B.
Judd
Kefalas
Kerr A.
Kerr J.
Marostica
McCann
Pace
Riesberg
Sonnenberg
Vaad
Ferrandino
Pommer
Not Final YES: 0 NO: 0 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: Pass Without Objection
BILL:SB09-271
TIME: 06:29:26 PM
MOVED:Ferrandino
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Riesberg
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
No
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 7 NO: 4 EXC: 2 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:30 PM -- Senate Bill 09-272

Representative Marostica presented his bill to the Committee and explained what the High Cost Support Mechanism is.

The Committee took public testimony:
*Fran Coleman - representing herself.
BILL:SB09-272
TIME: 06:36:02 PM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Ferrandino
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Excused
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 7 NO: 3 EXC: 3 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:37 PM -- Senate Bill 09-274

Representative Marostica presented this bill to the Committee.

The Committee took public testimony:
Department of Revenue - Mark Catch - speaking on the drivers licenses
John Ziegler - JBC staff
BILL:SB09-274
TIME: 06:43:12 PM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Ferrandino
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Excused
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 7 NO: 3 EXC: 3 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:45 PM -- Senate Bill 09-275

Representative Ferrandino presented this bill to the Committee.
BILL:SB09-275
TIME: 06:46:35 PM
MOVED:Ferrandino
MOTION:L.004
SECONDED:Judd
VOTE
Gardner B.
Judd
Kefalas
Kerr A.
Kerr J.
Marostica
McCann
Pace
Riesberg
Sonnenberg
Vaad
Ferrandino
Pommer
Not Final YES: 0 NO: 0 EXC: 0 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: Pass Without Objection

BILL:SB09-275
TIME: 06:48:06 PM
MOVED:Ferrandino
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Judd
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
No
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Excused
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 6 NO: 4 EXC: 3 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:49 PM -- Senate Bill 09-277

Representative Marostica presented this bill to the Committee.
BILL:SB09-277
TIME: 06:50:08 PM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Ferrandino
VOTE
Gardner B.
Yes
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
Yes
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Excused
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
Yes
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 10 NO: 0 EXC: 3 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:51 PM -- Senate Bill 09-278

Representative Ferrandino presented this bill to the Committee.
BILL:SB09-278
TIME: 06:54:11 PM
MOVED:Ferrandino
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Kerr A.
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Excused
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 7 NO: 3 EXC: 3 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


06:55 PM -- Senate Bill 09-279

Representative Ferrandino presented this bill to the Committee.
BILL:SB09-279
TIME: 07:06:15 PM
MOVED:Pommer
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Kerr A.
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Excused
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Yes
Final YES: 8 NO: 3 EXC: 2 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS


BILL:SB09-270
TIME: 06:19:31 PM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Ferrandino
VOTE
Gardner B.
No
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
No
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
No
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 8 NO: 3 EXC: 2 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS



BILL:SB09-268
TIME: 06:11:53 PM
MOVED:Marostica
MOTION:COW
SECONDED:Ferrandino
VOTE
Gardner B.
Yes
Judd
Yes
Kefalas
Yes
Kerr A.
Yes
Kerr J.
Yes
Marostica
Yes
McCann
Yes
Pace
Yes
Riesberg
Yes
Sonnenberg
Excused
Vaad
Yes
Ferrandino
Yes
Pommer
Excused
Final YES: 11 NO: 0 EXC: 2 ABS: 0 FINAL ACTION: PASS